DKC Atlas Forum

[Phyreburnz]

I'm wondering if there are any unused sprites of Squawks in the first DKC. The reason I ask is because his turning animation is really bad. I'm not sure how you guys find these things, but it might be worth looking for it... although I don't even know if you go in looking for specific things, though.

[The Banana Bird]

As you can see, I don't look for specific things. I just post a picture when I see one, still sorry guys. I guess you are right about the animation being terrible. What are you trying to say though? Do you think there is unused sprites that are really bad and they just stuck with this because it was to hard to make?

[Phyreburnz]

I think there are sprites that are missing in the animation of Squawks turning. When playing the game, the animation only has a few frames and it's mostly just a flash on the screen. That's why I think there are some missing frames.
I'm just guessing, though.

[Cody]

I just checked it out frame-by-frame and I originally thought that the "missing frames" occur behind the scenes while the flashlight is shining against the screen... but then I realized it didn't make sense since Squawks is the one shining the flashlight. So, my hypothesis is that the development team didn't really need to have a full animation of Squawks turning since he's a one-hit wonder whose only appearance is in a relatively short, dark cave.

If any missing frames exist, chances are they'd be a mirror image of the frames already present.

[Mattrizzle]

The frames are not missing; they are covered up by the flashlight shining. The frames that are not normally seen are just mirror images of the frames you do see, as Cody guessed.

Here is the animation script data for Squawks' turning animation:

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3EE5D9 (Animation table value 0x193): Squawks (turning)
02 90 24       //first turning frame
02 94 24       //second turning frame
02 98 24       //third turning frame
81 C0 A8 BE    //jump to assembly routine which sets RAM address $1E1D to 03 (This triggers the screen flash in Torchlight Trouble)
81 CF A8 BE    //jump to assembly routine which flips the object horizontally
02 98 24       //fourth turning frame
02 94 24       //fifth turning frame
02 90 24       //sixth turning frame
81 F9 E5 BE    //jump to assembly routine which sets the object's animation value to 0x192 (Squawks' normal flying animation)
80 00


From the animation data, we can see that setting RAM address $1E1D to 03 triggers the screen flash. This address contains the value 0x00 when the flashlight isn't "pointed at the screen," so disabling it is as simple as activating the PAR code 7E1E1D00.

I wouldn't say that the animation is bad. Squawks' turning animation is actually a lot smoother than other characters', especially Diddy's, which just reuses two frames from his idle pose.

EDIT: That last statement makes me wonder if Diddy's turning animation from DKC2 was created for this game, but somehow ended up being completely removed from the game data. After all, Diddy's unused turning animation for swimming was eventually used in DKC2, and the DKC2 turning animation for walking appeared in the GBA version of DKC.

@TheBananaBird: There's no need to continually beat yourself up over that one post: I accept your apology. We all make mistakes.

[Tonberry2000]

Squawks has a very thin beak in all three games for his turning animations.

So guys, a team and I are ripping all three games and putting them into complete sheets for www.spriters-resource.com and we just can't seem to find a few of the things you have on the first post. Would we be able to use those ripped sprites and give the ripper full credit for them in our sheets? If not, could you please tell us a good way to find them ourselves?
Thanks!

[Mattrizzle]

This hack I finished recently should make ripping any of the unused sprites from the first game a cinch. It adds a "Sprite Test" mode to the game that behaves similarly to the ones hidden in various games. (The download link is at the bottom of the linked post.)

[Tonberry2000]

That's a great start! Thanks, man!

[Mattrizzle]

You're welcome again, Tonberry!

[aperson98]

Note: This quote is lifted from another topic, but the reply I'm going to give is better suited here.

There are also several unused palette variants in DKC2, all of which are leftovers from DKC1.

Maybe DKC2 was going to have more lighting effects, but Rare couldn't do it in time I mean DKC2 compared to 1 and 3 was lacking in lighting effects.

[Lanky Kong]

Has someone else noticed this?

[Simion32]

First of all, a photoshopped-together image does NOT count as being unused, nor do made-up variants of enemies.


As for this "Parry Barrel", it never occurred in the game. It was never programmed and it never existed. You just made that up.

[Lanky Kong]

First of all, a photoshopped-together image does NOT count as being unused, nor do made-up variants of enemies.


As for this "Parry Barrel", it never occurred in the game. It was never programmed and it never existed. You just made that up.

No.

I DO NOT MADE THIS SPRITE.

i just looked for some unused sprites on Google and this came...

[Simion32]

I forgive you.... but this still doesn't matter, somebody made it up by pasting parry onto a barrel sprite.

This never happens in DKC3, and there is no such object.

[Lanky Kong]

I forgive you.... but this still doesn't matter, somebody made it up by pasting parry onto a barrel sprite.

This never happens in DKC3, and there is no such object.

Maybe... from an early build and removed from the final game?

...and i just post it due to curiosity, if someone whould know if is unused or not...

[Simion32]

No, Parry was never intended to be transformable. Squawks does that.

Don't google for unused things because people just make up sprites like this one simply saying "oh, this could have happened!" or "we could do this in a fangame!". But it never actually happened, nor is the idea of a Parry barrel even plausible.

If it's not on this thread and confirmed, or posted onto TCRF.net, then it hasn't been verified by anyone and is just a custom sprite.

[Lanky Kong]

No, Parry was never intended to be transformable. Squawks does that.

Don't google for unused things because people just make up sprites like this one simply saying "oh, this could have happened!" or "we could do this in a fangame!". But it never actually happened, nor is the idea of a Parry barrel even plausible.

If it's not on this thread and confirmed, or posted onto TCRF.net, then it hasn't been verified by anyone and is just a custom sprite.

Oh, okey then, Thanks Sim!

by the way: viewtopic.php?f=9&p=27883#p27883

[Mattrizzle]

by the way: viewtopic.php?f=9&p=27883#p27883

I've been working on a DKC3 sprite viewer like the first two released. None of the early sprites in those screenshots have surfaced yet. It's likely that they were just replaced with the final sprites.

Parry as a playable character doesn't even make sense, as his movements are dependent on another character's. What would he be flying parallel to?

[KingBrett]

That's the thing Mattrizzle. When has video games ever made sense? There can be beta elements that don't make sense at all, like for example. In Super Mario RPG, there is an enemy that has the little bird sprite you see in the game. There is even an unused unnamed Blue Boomer monster when Blue Boomer is already used. I know it's a little off-topic but just giving you an example there.

[Phyreburnz]

I just want to point out that it is a bad photoshop job on the Parry barrel. Look at the bottom of the barrel, it has a white rim. Whoever did this didn't even take the time to use a regular barrel; they used a barrel cannon.

[Mattrizzle]

@ KingBrett: If I recall, the things you used as an example actually do have a purpose. Super Mario RPG retrieves the sprites from those monster IDs when they appear in the game. The object event used when Boomer turns blue retrieves the sprite ID from that unnamed Blue Boomer monster to make him do that. The same goes for the brown birds that appear in the sequence where Mario and Mallow rush to reach Bowyer in the Forest Maze. Still, I get the point you're trying to make.

@ Phyreburnz: Animal Barrels do use a downward pointing Barrel Cannon sprite in the game. That's how they fire the Kong downward after he's/she's been transformed.

Regardless, there's one other thing I noticed about the sprite that gives it away as an edit: there's a magenta pixel near the white rim on the right side.

[Tonberry2000]

I believe that "Parry Barrel" actually comes from the Parry sheet on tSR. The submitter was trying to have fun with it, I guess.

[Geno]

Bumpitty Bump Bump

I ripped some unused stuff that other people didn't rip (I think)

Here!

The unused rain cloud from DKC2.

AND


Dixie Kong's unused palettes from DKC2
Left to right are sunset, night, mine, and misty mine.

EDIT:AND


Unused DKC2 palettes for Diddy

EDIT2: FOUND NEW UNUSED DKC3 SPRITES!

Dixie and Kiddy never jump in these directions on the map.

EDIT3: FOUND MORE UNUSED DKC3 SPRITES!


Never seen these before!

[Phyreburnz]

That rain cloud makes me wonder.... I have a bit of a thought that I'm going to animate... what if that cloud goes above Diddy and Dixie's mourning sprites?

[Geno]

Maybe the rain cloud was used in Topsail Trouble like the clouds in DKL.
And I wonder why the sunset palettes weren't used in Gangplank Galley?

[Phyreburnz]

Here is the animation of the raincloud!

Stick around for more updates, because I'd like to animate the raincloud on top of Dixie and Diddy's mourning sprites!

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[Katastrophe Kong]

Here is the animation of the raincloud!

What program do you use to animate sprites? You're really good at it, by the way

[Phyreburnz]

Thank you! I use Photoshop for just about everything! I use it to both edit sprites and animate. I also found this coolio program called "Rotsprite" that I use to rotate sprites without any blurs!

*EDIT*

Here are Dixie and Diddy mourning sprites with the raincloud.

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I very much like the raincloud with the mourning sprites! I think it works great!

[Mr.Diddy]

Diddy takes off his hat to get rained on!

[Geno]

A bit of a bump, but I've noticed that SOMEONE updated TCRF with some of the unused DKC3 sprites I ripped.

[Mattrizzle]

That was me.

Here are the animated GIFs I created for the article:

Kracka

Spoiler!

Kuchuka

Spoiler!

Lurchin

Spoiler!

Kopter

Spoiler!

Arich's Ambush entrance

Spoiler!

[Qyzbud]

Quality work on those GIFs — very nicely made!

It really helps one appreciate these discoveries when they are animated.

Thanks for sharing.

[Geno]

I've always wondered, WHY the palettes for carrying a Knocka (and Kracka and Kuchuka) are DIFFERENT from their normal palettes.

Also, a cool fact about the unused map sprites, the Kongs actually DO jump to the left on the map, after defeating Squirt, but they use the down-left sprite instead of the actual left one.

[Mattrizzle]

It's because they reuse the normal barrel sprites when picked up, in order to save space. With the Knocka family's normal palettes, the barrel sprites would look like they do in the top row of this image:

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The color index used for the mouth of Knocka/Kracka/Kuchuka/Klasp is the same as the one used for the lightest shade of the barrels.

[Qyzbud]

Ah, that would explain it... Knocka's normal palette certainly stands out, but Kracka's and Kuchuka's would be passable, I'd say.

Still, it's definitely a little bit nicer with the custom palettes.

[Geno]

Aha! That also explains the weird thing that happens when you throw a barrel at an inactive Knocka (it's mouth turns green)

Well, you learn something new everyday.

[Super Luigi!]

Indeed. I always wondered why that happened. Thanks for explaining this to us!

[Lanky Kong]

This is found on the Cutting Room Floor... Unused Sounds...

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_44.ogg
A voice clip for Donkey Kong. Use unknown. It's heard like the SFX for Donkey Kong tired on the rope on K. Rool's Duel from Donkey Kong Country 2

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_45.ogg
Same sound for Diddy.

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_69.ogg
Sounds like some kind of an instrument.

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_6A.ogg
A bubbly underwater sound effect. (Maybe supposed for the unused Puftup?)

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_6B.ogg
This is interesting. A really high-pitched sound that fits most likely to an UFO. (Intended SFX for BGM? or maybe whould have use on Kremrock Industries?)

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_6C.ogg
Sounds like a menu choice sound. (Maybe intended like the Menus in Country 2 and 3?)

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sound_6D.ogg
Sounds like a Güiro and at halfway there's some kind of kick sound.

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-Unused_Sounds_71_%26_72.ogg
A nice little fanfare.

[Mattrizzle]

Yes. I found those too, but never did get around to posting them here. I didn't write the descriptions on the wiki, though.

Sound 6D appears to be a frequency test. It plays all notes from the lowest to the highest. In the end, however, it exceeds the highest frequency defined in the table and plays "glitched" frequencies. It eventually loops back to the start.

[Lanky Kong]

huh i see...

and through i might fail... Sound 44 fits with the Pushing Wall Donkey Kong sprites...

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC-BossUnused.ogg

by the way...

this is an early?/boss intro? theme?

notice the tempo increases until reach somelike the final version...

EDIT:

Hidden on the "black basement" of TCRF... i found also Unused Sounds for Donkey Kong Country 2

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC2-Unused_Sound_03.ogg
Early Kong Switch? or maybe a Kong being getting out a barrel... like on DKC1?

http://tcrf.net/images/5/5f/DKC2-Unused_Sound_09.ogg
Alternate Banana sound (used on Country 3?)

http://tcrf.net/File:DKC2-Unused_Sound_55.ogg
Random Diddy/Dixie sounds... unknown whould have fitted...

UNUSED DIDDY AND DIXIE SOUNDS ALSO FOUND HERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnULxHHn11k

[Geno]

LArge bump, but I was watching the DKC Exposed video, and I found a thing.

Spoiler!

It's the unused Jungle Plant!

It's seen at around 3 minutes in.

[Qyzbud]

Well hot damn... good eyes, geno!

I'm surprised I never noticed that, as I've watched the video a bunch of times (and have noticed lots of other 'beta' aspects in it). It is only shown fleetingly both times (it can be seen at 0:44 as well as 2:48 in the embedded clip below), but it's hard not to see it now that I know it's there.



It looks like we only ever see it at that one spot in Barrel Cannon Canyon in this video (it's just the standard dark green leafy background there in the final version), but who knows where else these hidey-holes may have been intended to show up...

[Simion32]

It's also possible that, given its vicinity to that bonus and the fact we only see it there, it could have been a glorified bonus exit, and not a Kremling ambush cover.

But then; why would they remove it and place the exit up next to the TNT, I wonder?

Notice that it's already open.

Perhaps it spawned enemies???

[VideoViking]

If it were an exit, the action would be Donkey and Diddy Kong jumping out of the plant. But the plant would have had to been closed (see the other one) to make it seem like a harmless background piece.

If it were a spawning object, Kritters would be jumping out endlessly. But unlike the Mini-Drums, you can't kill them.

To reconfirm, is this open plant a background or an actual object?

Maybe the ROM can tell us more. Are there any scripts that were never used in the game?

[Qyzbud]

Hmm, I'm starting to think you might be right, Simion; using the plant as a bonus exit makes a lot of sense.

I never thought of it as a continuous spawning point — just a possible mechanism for a single Kritter ambush*... but I guess either/both were possibilities.

*If we decide this was its intended use, we should call the plant an 'am-bush'!

[Phyreburnz]

As far as the plant goes, you would think that if the Kongs exited from it, that there would be forward facing sprites of the Kongs walking out or being launched. It wouldn't make sense for them to roll left or right, I don't think... the perspective wouldn't work.

[Qyzbud]

Good point, Phyre... but they could have been intended to bust out of the foliage at a lateral angle; if you take a closer look at the image below, I think you'll agree the plant's appearance does suggest a forwards trajectory, which would mean the standard 'bonus exit' tumbling animation would be perfectly suited.

Unused 'am-bush' object: closed/open — credit to Mattrizzle

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Besides, after seeing how cleverly you (and others) have rearranged sprites and animations to create a new look/effect, it's probably safe to assume Rare wouldn't have had much difficulty doing the same sort of thing.

[Kingizor]

Apparently there is an ever-so-slightly different version of the "Video Game Heroes" background hiding within DKC2:

Unused Version

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Normal Version

Video Game Heroes Screen - Normal.png (8.31 KiB) Viewed 524482 times

[Markster]

It's slightly different, where did you find it?

[Kingizor]

I (st)ripped it myself.